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Thread: DK1 modern graphics problem

  
  1. #1

    Default DK1 modern graphics problem

    Hi, keeper fans

    One of my current goals is to play DK1 with the most pretty graphics, which is possible (i'm using windows XP btw).
    I need, for example, opengl-like graphics (direct3d, hq4x or similar)

    If you dont know, what is hq4x, please visit this page:

    http://www.hiend3d.com/hq4x.html

    So - there are next ways to implemend my idea:

    1) Direct3d patch

    Nice graphics, but nice problems:)

    If I trying to run it without shortcut properties - it crashed.
    If I trying to run it with shortcut properties "windows 95 compatibility" - it does not crashed, but the game lagged too much.

    2) Dosbox with hq3x or 2xsai render

    I tried it - the result was a little bit better graphics (in comparison to original), but worse than direct3d patch (and it is not very pleasant to play in dosbox - I prefer ro play from windows directly:) )

    3) HQ4x windows driver

    Imagine, that there is some software (for example - video driver), which can apply hq4x to ALL your screen (so if you run vanilla DK1 in this case - it will be smoothed with hq4x algorithm).

    Does anyone already implemented this? Is it hard to implement this?

    4) Remakes

    I downloaded keeperFX (I thought it has integrated hq4x algorithm for graphics improvement), but is has the same graphics as original


    So - the questions are next:

    How I can solve my problems and play DK1 with hq4x-like direct3d\opengl graphics? Which remakes\open source projects are support this and which of them are playable now?

    Thanks

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    I don´t care about those fancy graphics.

    I like to play the game on my laptop and with all those additions that KeeperFX doesn´t need I most likely wont be able to play it.
    WftO is going to get fancy graphics and that´s cool.

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    Should be noted that HQX doesn't make that much of a difference. If it does and I missed it, then comparison pic plz.

    Originally Posted by ARMofORION

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    I agree with commentators, but let me show you my comparison pics:

    This is original keeper:

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...c4e40b437d.png

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...734d3d7d11.png

    This is keeper with direct 3d patch (same sprites, same textures):

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...fdff270212.png

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...f860fde01f.png

    Please pay special attention to keeper's hand, horned reaper in keeper's hand and user interface (for eample - "rooms tab" icon). I think "modern" versions looks much better.


    This is original Strife in 1600x1200:

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...35d5372d0b.png

    This is Strife with HQ4x in opengl in 1600x1200:

    http://i15.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0221/...76aa6dd75b.png


    So - what we have now:

    1) Direct 3d patch uses same sprites and textures, as original keeper95.exe do.
    2) "Strife" hq4x version uses same sprites and textures, as original version do.
    3) Imho Strife and DK looks much better with direct3d\hq4x renders
    4) Hi res sprites is good idea too.


    Questions:

    1) Can KeeperFX handle direct 3d patch and fix "mouse lags" and other artifacts in it?
    2) If no - can KeeperFX use own opengl or direct 3d algorithms for best usage with future hi res sprites\textures and high basic screen resolutions?

    I think (judging on my screenshots) that better graphics is possible even without hi res sprites. Also, this scaling algorithms can be applied directly to sprites\textures.


    And for those who already uploaded screenshots in this topic:

    Please reupload them in scaled 1600x1200 mode for example
    (because when I see this 640x480 images in my 1600x1200 desktop - they are too small, and it is hard to see the difference, but when I play DK in 1600x1200 in fullscreen - there are much larger "squares" in sprites\textures\user interface\keeper's hand).


    Anyway, big thanks to KeeperFX creators and keeper community - you did a lot of hard and efficient work

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    Quote Originally Posted by theleo_ua View Post
    So - what we have now:

    3) Imho Strife and DK looks much better with direct3d\hq4x renders
    *facepalm*

    Show me HQ4x DK, please?

    Strife doesn't seem to have the same advanced lighting as DK has. You need to try HQ4x on DK, not something else, because otherwise we still don't know if it works on DK.

    Originally Posted by ARMofORION

    Ew. Skarok is here

    The Awakening

    Keeper Animus of Faircoast
    Skios the Brutal Arachnid Warrior
    Realm: Faircoast Cavern
    Level: 5
    Gold: 0
    Voro the Warlock Vampire
    Realm: Northland Iceland
    Level: 4
    Gold: 563
    Ouroboros & Ragnarok, the Bipolar Hellhound
    Realm: Faircoast Cavern
    Level: 2
    Gold: 0
    Krua the Icy Arachnid Witch
    Realm: Faircoast Cavern
    Level: 6
    Gold: 0
    Thela the Psycho Mistress
    Realm: Northland Iceland
    Level: 2
    Gold: 0
    Grey the Trick Archer
    Realm: Northland Iceland
    Level: 1
    Gold: 0

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    It is a technique that blurs images. DK has very very small textures so aside from looking like crap it simply wont help much. I like the sharp pixel quality better then blurred out goo quality.

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    Default Re: DK1 modern graphics problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Mothrayas View Post
    *facepalm*

    Show me HQ4x DK, please?

    Strife doesn't seem to have the same advanced lighting as DK has. You need to try HQ4x on DK, not something else, because otherwise we still don't know if it works on DK.
    You already tried it on Dragon's sprite

    Did you like the result on this sprite?

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