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    Default Library and research: How should it be?

    The title pretty much explains it all.
    Does anyone have any ideas as to how the research part of the game can be improved from its predecessors?
    Since research is tied to the library (at least for now) I thought it a good idea to include it in the discussion from the start.

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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    Combine DK1's boatload of spells (as well as new spells and some DK2 ones, obviously) with DK2's upgrade system, I'd say.

    As for the library... shouldn't be much different from 'drop stuff in the Library and if possible (most creatures and heroes) they get to research'.

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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    kinda branching away from the original method of research, where its learn spells - improve all spells
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    how about a more selective/tree style learning system. it may take a bit of working but something where by you have more control over what spells you research.

    Eg - Default spell panel with all the "?" symbols for the spells

    Player clicks on the spell to tell the creatures to research it
    (if none are clicked the go defaulty do them in order)

    once the research is complete, you can either choose a new spell or 'enhance' the spell

    right clicking on the researched spell brings a menu with several options

    "Amplify" - increase the damage or duration of the spell (possibly increases
    the mana cost for balance)
    "Reduction" - reduces the mana needed to cast the spell (reduces the
    damage/duration for balance?)
    "Enhance" - adds a secondary ability to the spell but increases the cost

    - with each progressive level costing more and more gold and time to research to a cap of 5?

    secondary abilities could be along the lines of...
    a) Heal gets a Heal over Time addition for x seconds
    b) Lightening bolt adds a "static charge" for a short duration
    - Giving the 'infected' creature a chance to arc lightening to near by
    creatures damaging them slightly... (obviously not everything would
    have a secondary ability availabel for research)
    c) firey spells could gain an ability set the floor alight for x seconds (damaging anything on the floor - friend or foe)

    stacking 'enchances' only increases the effect, it doesnt add increasingly more secondary abilities)
    etc?
    Last edited by Agzarah; March 22nd, 2010 at 15:31.

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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mothrayas View Post
    Combine DK1's boatload of spells (as well as new spells and some DK2 ones, obviously) with DK2's upgrade system, I'd say.

    As for the library... shouldn't be much different from 'drop stuff in the Library and if possible (most creatures and heroes) they get to research'.
    One idea I always wanted. DK1 had more spells but with upgrades DK2 had more. Also, Dk2's perminate upgrade was nothing but a plus. DK1's upgrade had costs and everything, while you mostly did full blast you also had to be warned of overkill.

    @Agzarah

    (No way I'm quoting all that)

    Just research choice of spells would be nice. If Rooms are researchable it is a tricky question if they should rooms have a custom research order. Simply due to more powerful rooms. Although that's besides the question.

    So...

    • Vast Amount of Spells
    • Custom Choice of Order
    • DK1/2 Upgrade System


    DK2 Upgrade System or the DK1 Upgrade System? I personally prefer DK1's due to it not being all totally Pro in the upgrade, with a costly Con.
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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    out of the DK1 and DK2 systems i did prefer the first one.

    i just like the idea of customization and thought that might be a nice place to add a bit of variance into it so both sides arent using the 'same' spells

    you could have one keeper whos invested heavily into the mana reduction, and can spam lightening all over the place
    while the other keeper could be putting out the occasional well timed extremely damaging, but heavily costly spells

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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    let's make a poll on this

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    I preferred DKI's style of researching, i.e. any creature can research but the Warlock will blast anyone it deems unworthy out of the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madkill View Post
    I preferred DKI's style of researching, i.e. any creature can research but the Warlock will blast anyone it deems unworthy out of the room.
    Oh yeah I forgot about who researches. Yeah it didn't make sense how nobody knew how to read.

    I still prefer Bile Demons to read, I think people thought of them as stupid because of DK2 (Damn you EA) and being Giant's counterpart. Either that or because their style of fighting you'd expect them to be stupid.

    Either way they seem smarter than Trolls in that they can read... barely.
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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    A level 2 warlock will decide who's worthy enough to research, however it seems silly that you -must- have warlocks in-order to research.

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    Default Re: Library and research: How should it be?

    How is it unrealistic that almost nobody could read? I can hardly imagine the majority of creatures in the dungeon have any literary skills what-so-ever. It is a fantasy/middle-ages game and almost nobody knew how to read back then. Wide-spread literacy is something that only came around the middle of last century when manual labor became less important.

    I like DK 2s system of only "Researchers" with perhaps a few exceptions.

    EDIT: Also... It makes creatures that can research more valuable and "special" until all research has been conducted. I think if researchers and the library were still useful after everything had been researched than that would be a boon.
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